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oh, wow…

Best comment so far on “Operation Infinate Justice”

Brooks Moses on rec.arts.sf.fandom wrote:
>What is this, Zero Wing II?
>”Move all F16, for Infinite Justice.”


But it does look like the military has realized it’s a stupid name:

Offensive Lyrics?

A list has been circulating the internet from ClearChannel, a conglomerate which owns more than 1700 radio stations, of songs with “questionable lyrics or content” that should not be played. The list can be found here: (Thanks duality).

Now, this isn’t censorship, but it is stupid. Some of the songs suggested are at least reasonably defensible as “in poor taste” given the moment, but some of the songs on the list are inspirational: The Youngbloods “Get Together”, for instance.

The songs I find most amusingly offensive to suggest banning are the two Cat Stevens songs. “Peace Train” and “Morning is Broken”. Why? Because Stevens converted to Islam? (And no, he did not advocate support for the death sentence against Salman Rushdie, either, but that’s another rant…). Frankly, I think songs like “Get Together” and “Peace Train” are JUST what we need.

Anyway, my reason for even bringing this up is ClearChannel is now saying that this was a memo sent from one station manager on an internal mailing list nd was not a company edict. The story is in the San Francisco Chronicle

Snopes to the rescue

Snopes is the Urban Legends Reference Page, a wonderful resource for checking out various zombie rumors that circulate the internet. They’ve put together a page of ULs specifically about the events of September 11. It can be found at:

Good for Bush

I’m glad to see this article, really:

Bush Urges Respect for Muslims

An excellent perspective

An Afghan-American speaks
You can’t bomb us back into the Stone Age. We’re already there. But you can start a new world war, and that’s exactly what Osama bin Laden wants.
– – – – – – – – – – – –
By Tamim Ansary

Sept. 14, 2001 | I’ve been hearing a lot of talk about “bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age.” Ronn Owens, on San Francisco’s KGO Talk Radio, conceded today that this would mean killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this atrocity, but “we’re at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else can we do?” Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we “have the belly to do what must be done.”

And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am from Afghanistan, and even though I’ve lived in the United States for 35 years I’ve never lost track of what’s going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I’m standing.

I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama bin Laden. There is no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done about those monsters.

But the Taliban and bin Laden are not Afghanistan. They’re not even the government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political criminal with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think bin Laden, think Hitler. And when you think “the people of Afghanistan” think “the Jews in the concentration camps.” It’s not only that the Afghan people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats’ nest of international thugs holed up in their country.

Some say, why don’t the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The answer is, they’re starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan — a country with no economy, no food. There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.

We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone Age. Trouble is, that’s been done. The Soviets took care of it already. Make the Afghans suffer? They’re already suffering. Level their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their hospitals? Done. Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and healthcare? Too late. Someone already did all that. New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today’s Afghanistan, only the Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around. They’d slip away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans; they don’t move too fast, they don’t even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs wouldn’t really be a strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the Taliban — by raping once again the people they’ve been raping all this time.

So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there with ground troops. When people speak of “having the belly to do what needs to be done” they’re thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing innocent people. Let’s pull our heads out of the sand. What’s actually on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden’s hideout. It’s much bigger than that, folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we’d have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just stand by? You see where I’m going. We’re flirting with a world war between Islam and the West.

And guess what: That’s bin Laden’s program. That’s exactly what he wants. That’s why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It’s all right there. He really believes Islam would beat the West. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and the West, he’s got a billion soldiers. If the West wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that’s a billion people with nothing left to lose; that’s even better from Bin Laden’s point of view. He’s probably wrong — in the end the West would win, whatever that would mean — but the war would last for years and millions would die, not just theirs but ours.

Who has the belly for that? Bin Laden does. Anyone else?

—–end quoted article

People should sign this

If you haven’t already heard about what Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson had to say about the events of September 11th, here’s the original Washington Post story and Falwell’s tepid apology.

I’m not going to say much about this. Falwell and Robertson no more represent the average Christian than bin Laden does the average Muslim. They’re narrow-minded hate mongers whose twelfth century morality makes them largely irrelevant to me, except for the tremendous political influence the once wielded and may yet reacquire. drishnak wrote a wonderful essay in reaction to this, which I also encourage you to read.

Anyway, it looks like someone is trying to put together a petition to urge the President ot officially condemn these remarks. I doubt very much that he will, though I was pleased a White House spokesman characterized the remarks as “inappropriate” and added “The president does not share these views.” This is actually quite a remarkable statement for someone who has been so much in the pocket of the Christian right.

Anyway, regardless of whether it has an impact, we should all sign it. Just to register that we DO feel strongly about what was said, enough to put our name on a document asking it be officially addressed.

Only Love, and then Oblivion.

Got this link off of Neil Gaiman’s webjournal:,1300,552408,00.html

Finding Hope Amidst Despair

I’m a sentimental person. I admit that, and I have no shame for it. But I find there’s great comfort in all the small heroes that have risen to this great and troubling challenge.

Last night I had the strangest dream…

I got this from Seanan :


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